Paola Harris: But you knew something, they must have connected with you at some point. Well, you said you had images coming in your head. During the late 1940s and early 50s, Silas Newton and Leo A. Gebauer traveled through Aztec, attempting to sell devices known in the oil business as "doodlebugs." [8] They claimed that these devices could find oil, gas and gold, and that they could do so because they were based on "alien technology" recovered from the supposed crash of a flying saucer. When J. P. Cahn of the San Francisco Chronicle asked the con-men for a piece of metal from the supposed alien devices, they provided him with a sample that turned out to be ordinary aluminium. [8] In 1949, author Frank Scully published a series of columns in Variety magazine retelling the crash story told to him by Newton and Gebauer. He later expanded these columns to create "Behind the Flying Saucers" in 1950, a best selling book that influenced public perceptions about UFOs. Two years later in 1952 the hoax was exposed in True magazine, [9] with a follow-up article in 1956 presenting other victims of Newton and Gebauer. [10] One of the victims was the millionaire Herman Flader, who pressed charges. The two were convicted of fraud in 1953. [1] [3] Influence on Ufology [ edit ]

Reme: Yes, it was about 200 feet from us. However, there was smoke and dust, so it was not very clear. Reme: Oh, we would sometimes talk to them at the café, but not much, because we didn’t have anything in common. The work they were doing didn’t seem all that important to them. It did not seem to be a great deal to them. We don’t believe anyone was aware of how important this object might have been, certainly not us.

Referring to the new information, Professor Paul Hynek added that the research “reveals a new UFO history.”

Paola Harris: This hole looks like it had an explosion and it’s all opened up in different pieces here. It wasn’t like a clean hole. The publication date for the Crash Stories Files was May 1, 2023, except where a later date is noted. Perfect little French nerds weren’t, of course, the only types applying themselves to the UFO question in the ’50s. In the US, the Air Force had set up a public study called Project Blue Book. In Switzerland, the psychiatrist Carl Jung was finding himself “puzzled to death” by flying saucers. In his book on the subject, he likened UFOs to a “technological angel” or a “physicists’ miracle.” They were shaped like mandalas, he wrote, and seemed to have a similar effect on our psyche—a “symbol of wholeness” that appears in “situations of psychic confusion and perplexity.”The Western Isles incident, when a loud explosion was reported in the sky over the Atlantic in the Outer Hebrides. September 27, 2023: I added to the list of sources two papers written by Jacques Vallee and posted on the internet by Paola Harris, linking here to original versions as archived in PDF: "Trinity: The Inconvenient Reality: A response to Douglas Dean Johnson’s 'Crash Story'" (May 15, 2023), and "The Jacques Vallee Declaration: A Tale of Two Urchins: Truth and Consequences in New Mexico Ufology" (September 23, 2023). If that occurs in this case, then I would expect the promoters of the Trinity UFO crash story to seek to deflect attention away from the most damning and incontrovertible lies told by Reme Baca and Jose Padilla—for example, the revelations about New Mexico State Police officer Eddie Apodaca, or the evidence that Jose Padilla falsely claimed extensive service as a California Highway Patrol officer, or the documents that show that Reme Baca falsely claimed to be a close associate of Governor Dixy Lee Ray and imputed to Governor Ray actions that in the real world would have been serious federal crimes. Paola Harris: Okay and then later you got other pieces of metal which you took in the space of like a week that they did the clean-up, but is a piece of metal that you just looked at recently that has a lot of little bubbles on it that looks like it has been subjected to heat. Reme: Evidence? We saw something like a broom, or rake mark, but then again, it could be some animal, insect or snake that made those marks.