Kinetic Sand 6033177 Rock Crushin' Set, multicolor

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In relation to trainer road, I run mine off a laptop, which needs a specific dongle to run Bluetooth with a trainer, even if the laptop has Bluetooth built in. I prefer to use a laptop just coz it’s bigger, I can see the screen more easily. I sometime do a trainerroad workout then follow it up with a zwift spin if I’ve anything left, I’m going to need a really good iPad to get the screen I want for that. Although we’ve no specific evidence beyond how we felt after heavy sprint sessions we’d also suggest that it’s less biomechanically stressful overall, as the bike isn’t rigidly held in place for you to strain against, in the same way that floating shoe cleats are more forgiving on knees than fixed cleats. It adds this whole-body element without the extra skill and focus needed to use a bike on traditional training rollers too, so you can still totally bury yourself into a high intensity workout without worrying about crashing or wobbling. Better make some room Yeah this pretty much sums up what we’ve experienced with TrainerRoad and the KK Smart Control unit in ERG mode using PowerMatch to control the resistance. It’s prety much all hit and miss. It turns out that kinetic energy and the amount of work done in the system are strictly correlated, and the work-energy theorem can describe their relationship. It states that we can convert the work done by all external forces into a change of kinetic energy:

The side-to-side motion is not controlled by an app, but some testers found they would lean into turns when riding in Zwift. Right now it seems like it’s about 20-25 watts on the high side, not a specific percentage. We’re doing a bunch of bench testing this week to improve the accuracy, we should have an app update coming soon, please watch for that and install it when it comes out.Kinetic trainers are compatible with virtually all bikes. Bikes with a rear thru-axle will require aKinetic Traxlethru-axle adapter for use on any trainer. A good trainer or set of rollers isn’t just for the when the weather forces us indoors—indoor riding can be great for the time-crunched cyclist, urban riders with limited route options, or anyone recovering from an injury. Even the most weather-hardened winter riders sometimes like to control the environment they're riding in. I just got one of these. I’m surprised how quiet it is. It also works quite well with Zwift and the App they have is very well thought out. It isn’t quite as intuitive unfortunately as the Wahoo system but once you find the settings section it is easy to set up and get it running and accurate. I haven’t tried it with Sufferfest, but I assume given the native support it will work well. The app allows you to define a series of data screens, with a frankly dizzying array of figures and metrics to put in the nine available slots. I won't list them here as there are too many, but it covers all the various ways you could describe speed, heart rate, power, time and intervals. You'll certainly be able to find the ones you want. You can leave slots empty if you want less data. You can set up heart rate and power zones for zonal training. Kinetic counters that they’ve got the apps that matter to users on them ready to roll, such as Zwift and TrainerRoad. Further, Kinetic says that they’ll work with other app partners that request access. Even going as far as offering an open SDK that they’ll be publishing to Github as open source. That’d be great if they did that in addition to just using the normal ANT+/Bluetooth Smart protocols.

Because the Kinetic doesn’t talk to the sufferfest desktop app, I’ve had to manually line up the phone app with what i was seeing on screen – i.e. pausing the phone app until the start of the right interval and pressing ‘start’ on the app so the erg mode on the phone matched the video. Because of this, I have had to judge the timing manually – you can’t use my charts to see the exact delay between power measurement as I’ve had to do it manually, but it’s obviously close enough for this comparison. Kurt Kinetic: It is very nice that you responded on this thread but the message comes across as fragmented and piecemeal. I think the 6 of you should get together, pow-wow, and put together a clear statement about your position. Respond to this post with a convincing argument, explain that ANT+ is still on the table, just not for now? You are suggesting a paradigm shift for a lot of these people so need to do a more complete job of explain and selling it. Ability to simulate long climbs (e.g 10% for 1 hour), but I don’t mind using my gears to change the resistance Should I wish at some stage, I might invest in TrainerRoad or Zwift but to be honest, as long as the above 3 criteria are met, I’m perfectly happy staring at a list of metrics on an app I don’t have to pay forI have ridden with the fit app about 60 miles and it is a bit glitchy if I dont restart my phone before using. I’m using a samsung note edge with a wahoo blue sc (because its dual band) and a KK road machine smart control. And I did the firmware update with out letting my screen sleep,( wont work if it does) I did find the accuracy of the unit to the power meter to be off, but honestly I don’t think that matters much. It’s consistent and responds correctly with the powermatch feature. I just had to do another FTP test using the powermatch feature to get a good FTP number using the correct power source. It’s been working for me. Riding Zwift with the (supposedly) successful calibration produces power readings that are fully 50% lower than what I was seeing using the Snap (I don’t have a separate power meter). I’m old so I can’t confidently say that the power data is wrong but I can certainly say that it doesn’t agree with the Snap data! ERG Mode: Setting a specific power level – i.e., 230w. In this mode, no matter what gearing you use, the trai And we’re not talking resistance control training here- just monitoring, recording and reviewing what comes out of the sensor unit. No real way to customize displays. Generally clunky. You can’t even bulk upload all of your workout history (Y’know, that 4 months of workouts you amassed before the app would even link to strava… To be fair, I only use strava, to which I must upload each old saved workout *individually*. Dunno if the other linked app connections make more sense, but it doesn’t look like it).

We’re still working on ANT+ support in our Android Application so it could talk to your existing HRM and Power sensor. I hope to see that complete in the next month or two. I use a tacx trainer tyre and had the unit tightened 3 full turns for this test on my road machine. Tyre slip was only a problem in the bottom gear standing on the pedals. With that in mind I personally find the price offensive (even given the application costs), and it stopped me from considering it - I know i'm far from alone in that regard. Think they dropped one on this.... You simply pedal aimlessly for 20 minutes, and then at the end of it you’ll spin up to 25MPH and coast down. The trainer and the software ideally should be able to be used independently from each other, allowing users to mix and match the best options for themselves. Sure, integration is may offer some advantages (and should), but there should be functionality if I want to use a KK trainer with ANY software, or the Kinetic app with ANY trainer.

A genuinely different beast of a trainer

Despite your incredulity, I too use my Garmin head unit when training indoors. I use it in combination with an upgraded old PC, because sometimes I pull a Froome and stare at my stem, and because I like having ALL my cycling workouts in a single device. My computer sometimes goes haywire and cuts me off mid workout and looses my data. My Garmin head unit has a 99.5% success rate at recording my workouts (it does crash sometimes too) Also the upgrade price is a crazy one, you must realize this. If it was in the 300 range, it would be something I would consider given it would have ANT support. There's a big difference in the resistance unit too, though that's not so obvious. Kurt make great play of the fact that other fluid filled turbos are prone to failure at the point where the shaft enters the fluid bath. They're mostly well sealed, of course, but it's a weak point and Kurt claim their punishing in-house tests with their cadence robot, Crank Armstrong, can break a competitor's resistance unit within hours. Theirs, on the other hand, has logged over 40,000 miles without a problem. So, what's the secret? Well, the Kurt resistance unit is in two parts – a flywheel and a fluid chamber – that are magnetically coupled, so the fluid section is independent of the flywheel. The magnets are strong enough to cope with more torque than even the robot can supply, so you won't uncouple them on the sprints, and there are no seals to wear and fail. It's a simple and very elegant solution. Unless I hear in the next 6 months that they have dramatically improved, I will be going for something else come Oct 2017. The problem is that trying to find a review later in the lifecycle of this product will be quite challenging. I understand the negativity. Telling people that they have to upgrade their tech is never well received and we expect it. It’s the blind loyalty to a slowly dying technology that is difficult for me to understand.

Brilliant, I got this thing for Zwift… alright, well let’s try the built in app. Absolute garbage. First off, the power metering is so far off its laughable. It just uses the speed of the flywheel to meter power! Yeah, I wish I could spin at 450w for 2 hours, but we all know that’s not true. Secondly, there is no way to control the magnetic resistance in the app! So, to ride to Sufferfest videos using a Kirt Kinetic smart trainer and get readings from my power meter and heart rate monitor and be displayed on my TV (hdmi connections but not a smart TV) what would I have to do? I understand this is a very basic question but this whole smart training/app thing is new to me. o The only thing I cannot do is have the R&R Smart Control be controlled by Garmin rides, but I do not have a wifi Garmin in any case that could send to a smart trainer. Recommended by: Riley Missel, editorial assistant Why she loves it: It feels remarkably like riding on the road The Kinetic, unfortunately, does not support two-way communications with third-party apps and does not come with a controllable resistance feature. Scaling a 10% gradient climb in Zwift? Well the trainer will not automatically increase resistance to match the incline and make you grunt all the way to the top of your climb! HIGHLIGHTSI don’t know if it’s not too late and even if they have the financial strength to support changing their direction. But I prefer buying from another manufacturer than following a dying company. Another concern is from the fiasco with the inRide 2 sensor and the TrainerRoad app for Macs. I had to resort to using Parallels running Windows 8. Then I bought a bluetooth dongle that TrainerRoad for Windows recognizes to make my frankenstein contraption work.