Paola Harris: So the second day basically you waited until the military went away. And you got more pieces, dragged them into the trench, but you didn’t see the beings then. Reme: Under a stone, is where I first saw it. I pulled it out. It had its own mind. I folded it, and it unfolded, kind of unusual. Reme: Oh, we would sometimes talk to them at the café, but not much, because we didn’t have anything in common. The work they were doing didn’t seem all that important to them. It did not seem to be a great deal to them. We don’t believe anyone was aware of how important this object might have been, certainly not us. a b c d e Emspak, Jesse (April 11, 2011). "FBI Hottel Memo Reveals UFO Hoax". International Business Times. New York: Etienne Uzac . Retrieved April 1, 2013.

The 14-minutes of "missing" film relating to the Blue Streak missile test launch in 1964, believed by some to show a "spaceman".I would hope to see a drastic course correction—the abandonment of this hoax and all its spin-off activities. But long observation and experience has taught me that in circumstances such as this, in which individuals have a great deal of time and personal credibility invested in a particular set of claims, the response to new and disconfirming evidence is more often generalized denial and deflection, avoiding square confrontation of specific disconfirmations. It is one of the most astounding cases I have ever covered in my career and it helps complete the puzzle of why there has been so many crash retrievals in New Mexico. As journalist Ben Moffet, who so beautifully describes the cover-up - we can begin to see where it fits in UFO history. a b c "UFOs and the Guy Hottel Memo" (Press release). Federal Bureau of Investigation. March 25, 2013 . Retrieved April 1, 2013. Paola Harris: Hello Jose. I heard that you’d love to do a dig with Reme? You want to do it soon because of the water that erodes the ground. There might be pieces there. Maybe people might be walking around over there.

Martin Gardner (May 4, 2012). Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science. Courier Corporation. pp.71–. ISBN 978-0-486-13162-7. September 27, 2023: I updated the Jacques Vallee's age to 84 to reflect his birthday on September 24, 2023. Paola Harris: Can I ask you if you and Jose had a conversation about this, about what you saw, in these years?I do not apologize for the formidable volume of the material linked here. The current elaborate version of the Trinity UFO crash tale has been constructed in layers over the past 20 years. The story has been entertained by some in the mainstream media and by some in the halls of Congress. In the dismantling of this hoax, the devil is indeed in the details.

Irvin, Leigh (March 28, 2012). "Aztec UFO landing subject of new book". Farmington Daily Times. New Mexico. Archived from the original on September 23, 2015 . Retrieved April 1, 2013.

Reme: We are not talking about flat land here. We are talking about hills, canyons, and arroyos. Standing on top of a hill, looking downwards where we had seen the object, it was no longer visible to us, at that time. No explanation why. We simply could not see it. It seemed gone. Jose says well, “I don’t know what’s going on here.” Eddy and Faustino said, “What did you say you saw?” My response was, it’s down there, but we can’t see it. Faustino said let’s walk down there and take a look. We started walking down and then we saw it. The object had a lot of debris over it and so I’m asking Faustino, how come we couldn’t see it from up there. His response was that he didn’t know. Regrettably, in my view, Vallee invested in the Trinity case his prestige, and he has also devoted some portion of his reportedly ample financial resources to promoting it (he hired a publicist, who appears to have been quite effective). In so doing, I believe that the scientist has placed his trust in persons unworthy of that trust. Amidst the secrecy of closed doors and hushed corridors, the Los Alamos National Laboratory bore witness to an interstellar diplomacy like none before. Setimus, an alien presence awakened in the heart of Earth's research facilities, proved to be more than just a subject of mere curiosity. Engaging in erudite discourse with Earth's scientists, his benevolent disposition led him to be seen not just as a specimen, but as a guest - one accorded "diplomatic status." Reme: Not sliding, but more like willing themselves from one place to another-that type of sliding. And as I’m looking at that, things began happening to my mind. Vallee would research the events of that evening extensively, including speaking in-depth with the family themselves. One of the children, Jose Padilla, would recall that on the day of the incident, there was a particularly heavy rainstorm. Suddenly, they heard what they would now describe as a sonic boom before seeing smoke rising into the air.